Mosstone '57 Precision Bass

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Going through some files on my backup hard drive, I discovered some photos that I had taken of this bass and forgotten about. I built it a few years ago, but never posted a thread about it, because there didn't seem to be a lot of interest in bass guitars here. Since then, I've discovered that we have other members here who play bass (or at least dabble in it), and in the interest of generating forum content and discussion, I thought I'd post a little something about it...

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Some of you have seen and heard this bass already in my cover of "Money" by Pink Floyd (viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1491), but I thought maybe some of you might be interested in reading about how it came to be... and I could use a little distraction right now.

Unfortunately, I didn't take any progress pics because I wasn't even thinking about posting a build thread about it, and it was a pretty simple build... It wasn't nearly as involved as my later projects, so there wasn't a whole lot of "process" to illustrate.

It started with an MIJ (pre-CIJ) Fender '57 RI P-bass body in Candy Apple Red that I bought from the TalkBass classifieds. This was my best forum score yet. The body came loaded with Fender "Original" P-Bass pickups. It also came with bridge and pickup covers, and my choice of either white plastic, or anodized gold pickguard (I took the gold one, of course), all for the modest sum of $200 shipped (this was back when shipping rates were still pretty reasonable).

I had some pretty strong GAS for a P-Bass at the time. I'd been a confirmed Jazz Bass man for most of my adult life, but I had begun to appreciate the power of the Precision, and was strongly considering buying a Squier CV '70s P-bass when this showed up (those basses are pretty frickin' awesome, BTW, so if you're thinking of picking one up, I highly recommend it). The only thing I wasn't thrilled about the CV was that it only came in black, and since CAR is my favorite solid guitar finish, I was all over this body like Mooooorgan Faaaaairchild (my wife... yeah, that's the ticket! :D ).

Chip repair and OCD

This might be helpful to anyone who might need to repair a CAR finish... It's not as easy as it sounds.

The body had suffered some damage in transit. A pretty big finish chip had been whacked off the edge at the forearm contour, exposing the stark white wood underneath. I know it happened in shipping, because it looked like fresh damage, and I found the pieces among the packing materials inside the box. I was hoping the whole chip would be intact so I could just glue it back on, but it had broken up into several small pieces along its travels, so that was out of the question. I couldn't overlook this gaping scar in an otherwise nearly pristine finish. I had done some chip repair in the past with varying degrees of success, so I set out to find something that would match the CAR.

This is where I learned that Candy Apple Red is not a paint color, it's a process. You can't just go out and buy Candy Apple Red paint. It's achieved by first spraying metallic gold, then spraying a trans red "candy coat" on top of that. Metallic red is just not the same thing, and I couldn't find any paint that matched the CAR closely enough. The chip repair jobs I had done in the past all involved nail polish, so I shifted my focus on that. There are so many different brands and colors of nail polish, you stand a pretty good chance of finding something that pretty closely matches most guitar colors, and I was convinced that there must be a metallic nail polish color that comes close to CAR. This is where the OCD kicks in... I spent several weeks perusing the makeup departments of various pharmacies and department stores (and even dedicated makeup retailers in malls), armed with a picture of the body on my phone for some kind of a reference, until I found what I was looking for... And it was a nearly perfect match!

Unfortunately, I didn't think to take any "before and after" shots... After spending so much time searching for the perfect nail polish, I just wanted to get it done so I could finally progress with the build. I kinda wish I had taken some pics of it after it was finished, though, as it's my most successful chip repair to date. It was almost totally seamless. You'd be hard-pressed to find it if you didn't know where to look. Even I have a hard time finding it sometimes.

Here's a pic of what it looks like now. The edges of the repair have cracked over time (repair is stable), but at least you can see how well the color matches:

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One of the things that always put me off of P-Basses were the neck dimensions. They tend to have wide nuts and a neck profile like a baseball bat, which causes discomfort to my wrists (I have repetitive stress injury), so I bought an unfinished Allparts Jazz Bass neck with vintage '60s specs for the project. It's got a chunkier profile than a modern 'C' Jazz Bass neck, but it's not a tree trunk, and the nut width is 1.5".

I finished the whole neck in Tru-Oil - including the front of the headstock - because I wanted to prove to the naysayers that you can indeed get a glassy, high-gloss finish with TO. It comes at the cost of your time and sanity, and I'll never want to do it again, but it CAN be done. You have to spray it on, though. I don't think I would have gotten these results by wiping on a million coats of it. The pain comes when you try to sand and buff it to a flawless finish. You can't work it like polyurethane, and it develops "witness lines" quicker than poly, so there's a lot of sanding, and cursing, and respraying...

BTW, those are reflections of clouds through the window at the top of the headstock, not finish irregularities.

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Normally, I like to put my own brand on my builds, but since this bass is 50% "Genuine Fender", and I was going for a reproduction of a '57 Precision, I put a era-correct Fender logo on the headstock. Tru-Oil shrinks a little as it cures, which left the headstock looking a little lighter around the edges, and it crinkled the decal a little (you can see it mostly in the 'd' of 'Fender' when you enlarge the image), but I liked the mildly "weathered" look that it imparted, so I left it alone.

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After putting it all together, I realized that I did not like the "Original" Fender P-Bass pickup at all, and swapped it out for an EMG GZR pickup that I also scored from the TalkBass classifieds. I know, it's not exactly following the '57 blueprint to the letter (this pickup was modeled after a '68 Precision that Geezer owned), but gawd, this is the best sounding P-bass pickup I've ever heard!

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I typically don't like any printing on pickups covers, and almost always remove it with Meguiar's Scratch-X (buffing compound), but I figured if I wanted to sell this pickup later on down the road (for some unimaginable reason), it might be better if I left the branding intact (I also kept the original box).


"Ok, enough with jibber-jabber! Let's see the bass!"


I'm not sure what the current per-post picture limit is right now, so I'll insert the pics in the following post...
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Here's some pics taken in natural daylight:

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And some under artificial light:

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I forgot to mention; I tried to get used to the bass with the pickup cover on it, to maintain the traditional look. I couldn't stand the pickup cover on the Rickenbaker I used to own, but I thought maybe it would be different with the P-Bass... It wasn't. The cover is always right where my hand wants to be, and having to maneuver around it is a distraction. If I only played with a pick, I might like using the cover as a hand rest, but I only play with a pick when the bassline calls for it. 90% of the time, I play finger style.

Also, for anyone who's interested, I put Ernie Ball Cobalt flat-wound strings on it.

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I highly recommend them. They really deliver the best of both worlds. Almost as growly as round-wound strings, but you can also get the traditional thumpy sound of flats when you want it. I've put those strings on 2 other basses since then.
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It looks vey good to non-bassist eyes (mine)!

Now, what´s this?
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Fantastic looking bass and great photography too! You should do a thread on your photography methods like you do with your builds. I especially like the warmer light that gives it a vintage look.
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sabasgr68 wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:40 pm It looks vey good to non-bassist eyes (mine)!

Now, what´s this?

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Heheh... That's what's called a "tug bar", or a "finger rest". When Leo designed the first Precision bass in 1951, he imagined that bass players would want to play it with their thumb, so he put that bar there for them to grab onto with their fingers and use as an anchor point.

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It turns out that almost nobody played the bass that way, but they still kept putting that bar there. Later on in the mid '70s they relocated it above the strings so you could anchor your thumb there while playing the bass with your fingers, but it was still in an awkward position, and Fender ended up doing away with it altogether by the late '70s.

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The role of the bass had changed since the '50s. Initially, it was thought that the bass should be felt more than heard, and was used as more of a pad to "fill space", so it was assumed that bass players would want the biggest, fattest sound they could get, which would be achieved by playing with the thumb, or with the fingers up near the neck. But through the '60s and into the '70s, bass playing became more articulate and more forward in the mix, and most players either ignored the tug bar or removed it... along with the bridge and pickup covers. The body that I used came with the tug bar installed, and I kept it on there just to maintain the "period accurate" look.
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uwmcscott wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:49 pm Fantastic looking bass and great photography too! You should do a thread on your photography methods like you do with your builds. I especially like the warmer light that gives it a vintage look.
Thanks for the props! But I'm afraid I don't have any reliable photographic skills or methodology to speak of. Every time I take photos of a guitar it's an experiment, and there's a lot of trial and error with more misses than hits. I usually take hundreds of photos just to get 6 to 10 images that I can accept. It really depends on the finish... Some are easier to accurately capture than others. For example; I could take pictures of 3TS or "tobacco" sunburst all day long with minimal effort, and get great results, while reds and cherry sunbursts are always the most frustrating. Metallic paint (of any color) offers its own challenges, due to the reflectivity of the metallic particles. I always have to experiment with a number of different types of light sources, different lighting arrangements (and combinations of light sources), different cameras, and even different back-drops (background colors can change the way foreground colors are perceived).

To be honest, none of those above photos are an accurate representation of what the bass actually looks like. As you probably know, Candy Apple Red is a lot darker in "real life", but I ultimately had to settle for "acceptable" rather than "accurate". The video I made (linked in the OP), is a better reference for what the color actually looks like (though the resolution is terrible). Some guitars you just have to take photos of in direct sunlight in order to get the color right. One of these days I'll take that bass (and a few other guitars) to the park and take pictures of it in the mid-day sun. That will produce more color-accurate results, but it won't be very "artsy". When I take pictures of guitars, it's with the goal of producing "gallery quality" images. Something that you would see in a magazine, or in promo material, and "back yard" pictures of guitars just don't cut it for me.
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That bass is SAF. I bet it sounds killer with the Geezer EMG. Thanks for sharing.
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That is a damn beauty. Much prefer the Jazz neck profile, as well. I've actually added tug bars to both my basses, although they're mounted above the E and not below the G. Super job on that bass.
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yesca wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:58 pm That bass is SAF. I bet it sounds killer with the Geezer EMG. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks man... Yeah, those Geezers are the bidness. I often think about building another P-Bass with a Geezer in it just so I can have one with round-wound strings and one with flats. It sounds great with the cobalt flats, it'll probably sound like an angry monster with rounds.

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At the risking of appearing self-promotional, you can get an idea of what the pickup sounds like (with flats) here: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1491

jhull54 wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:13 pm That is a damn beauty. Much prefer the Jazz neck profile, as well. I've actually added tug bars to both my basses, although they're mounted above the E and not below the G. Super job on that bass.
Thanks! Much appreciated.... So are they both P-basses with Jazz Bass necks?
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Mossman wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:17 am
jhull54 wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:13 pm That is a damn beauty. Much prefer the Jazz neck profile, as well. I've actually added tug bars to both my basses, although they're mounted above the E and not below the G. Super job on that bass.
Thanks! Much appreciated.... So are they both P-basses with Jazz Bass necks?
No, I have an SX J bass, and a Korean P. The P bass neck is stock and definitely chunkier and wider at the nut, and it's just not quite as comfortable for me as the jazz neck
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jhull54 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:54 pm
Mossman wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:17 am
jhull54 wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:13 pm That is a damn beauty. Much prefer the Jazz neck profile, as well. I've actually added tug bars to both my basses, although they're mounted above the E and not below the G. Super job on that bass.
Thanks! Much appreciated.... So are they both P-basses with Jazz Bass necks?
No, I have an SX J bass, and a Korean P. The P bass neck is stock and definitely chunkier and wider at the nut, and it's just not quite as comfortable for me as the jazz neck
Yeah, I've been a Jazz Bass man for over 20 years. Still can't find a bass I like better, and the feel of the neck has a lot to do with that. I'm a lot more particular about bass necks than I am about guitar necks. I'm pretty much happy with any guitar neck as long as it's not a big, fat '50s profile with a 7.25" radius fretboard. But there are quite a few basses I'll never own (or own again) because I don't like the necks. So my bass collection is pretty boring. I have 4 Jazz Basses, 2 Jaguar-style basses (which are ostensibly Jazz Basses), 1 Precision and a Beatle bass, and I don't really have any GAS for anything else. Except, maybe a Musicman Sterling HH (not to be confused with "Sterling by Musicman" :roll: ) I was digging on that bass pretty hard, back about the same time I was shopping for a Rickenbacker 4003 (I hated the neck on that thing!). The Sterling was the bass I should have bought, but I was too blinded by hero-worship and driven by years of desire to stop chasing the Ric, and I've been beating myself up for it ever since! Back then, the Sterling cost a couple hundred less than the Ric, but now they're like $2,500, and that's more money than I'm willing to spend on any guitar.

Not when my #1 favorite bass of all time cost one tenth of that (SX Ursa 2). :D I frickin' love that bass.
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