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Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:19 am**

I recently bought a used strap off of a local Facebook swap/sell group. I primarily wanted the strap but the strap had Schaller strap locks on it. I was not familiar with them at all but played with them a little and decided to install them on my Agile. I think these will work fine for me and was thinking that if I bought a set of the balls for lack of a better word that I could use the strap and locks on my Agile and Eastman guitar. Looks like you can order a set of them for about $10 or so. The locks I have are the "old" style where the lock screws on with a hex nut. In looking on line it looks like the new ones have a different nut and I cannot tell if the ball that screws into the guitar changed or whether that works with the old model as well as the new one. If anyone has any experience with that I would like to hear your thoughts.

Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:46 am**

I believe my thread about them was on the old site, unfortunately, but I can confirm that the old and the new models are compatible with each other. All of my guitars have Schaller Strap Locks. I do like the new models better than the old so I've upgraded my main guitars to them, but the function is the same. Where I like the improvement is that the strap sided screw has a set screw and stays put vs the old version's hex nut that I would continuously check to ensure it wasn't loosening. The strap button (you called it a "ball"), now has a built-in screw that seems stronger than the old one and it now has an Allen key to be driven in. One could dislike that because it requires another tool, but it's harder to strip and I believe it's the same Allen key size as the common Floyd Rose one and I always have those around my guitars.

Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:59 am**

Straplocks on all guitars here too, old style. Have to check out the new features.

Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:54 pm**

RockYoWorld wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:46 am I believe my thread about them was on the old site, unfortunately, but I can confirm that the old and the new models are compatible with each other. All of my guitars have Schaller Strap Locks. I do like the new models better than the old so I've upgraded my main guitars to them, but the function is the same. Where I like the improvement is that the strap sided screw has a set screw and stays put vs the old version's hex nut that I would continuously check to ensure it wasn't loosening. The strap button (you called it a "ball"), now has a built-in screw that seems stronger than the old one and it now has an Allen key to be driven in. One could dislike that because it requires another tool, but it's harder to strip and I believe it's the same Allen key size as the common Floyd Rose one and I always have those around my guitars.

Thanks so much as you answered my question and I plan to order a set of pins (thanks for clearing up the terminology). With my agile, I just used the screws that came with it as they seemed to come out fine and tighten up nicely. I am going to watch it a few days to make sure that I do not need a toothpick or small wood scrap in there but so far, so good. In trying to research this a little online it seems that people like the new style Schaller's better but I think what I have will be fine for me for the time being. I am thinking just look after the hex nut and be sure I am not having an issue with the wood screw that came with my Agile. If the hex becomes a big problem, I wonder if a lock wash would help with that? The locks I got are the fancy gold ones and look pretty cool. The strap alone is worth more than what I paid for it and the locks were just a throw in that I was not familiar with. My first guitar was a lighter weight Jay Turser and I just have one of those straps made out of material about like a set belt and I had all sorts of issues with it until I secured the screw with a toothpick and went to the hardware store and bought a neoprene or some similar material washer that looks like those things that Fender sells. That works great but you cannot change straps. The Schaller makes changing a strap easy once you get everything set up.

Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:14 pm**

Stoli wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:54 pm If the hex becomes a big problem, I wonder if a lock wash would help with that?

If you can get a lock washer AND the hex nut, then sure, but I had enough trouble getting just the hex nut started on the threads when going through the strap. It's another improvement with the new system. On the old model, I HAD to cut some of the leather of the strap away. On the new model, some straps don't require me to do that, though I feel like it's best I do to get the most surface area to clamp onto.

The old model works just fine. I just prefer the new model, as you mentioned most people on the internet seem to as well.

Another tip: keep an eye on your straps' health with strap locks. I've seen people's straps break, still having the guitar come to the ground. A few weeks ago, I had my own issue. I'm one of those idiots that will throw the guitar around my neck some times. We've changed the setlist around so instead of the super strats I usually play during one of the songs I do it on, I was playing my new LTD EC-1000, which happens to be my heaviest guitar, PLUS having the longest strap length. I don't like throwing that guitar around my neck because physics tells you that it takes a harder throw to do it successfully. Well, the 2nd time I did it on that guitar, the strap broke and I ended up effectively chucking the guitar into one of our singer's shins. Thankfully, it didn't break her leg, but it did severely bruise it. The guitar held up for the most-part, but 1 of the tuning machines got destroyed. I got replacement tuners and it's back up and running. Not flipping that guitar anymore, though.

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Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:18 pm**

I usually put 1 or 2 drops of crazy glue in the hole the screw was removed from, let it dry, then screw in the old screw or a new slightly longer version.

Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:45 pm**

RockYoWorld wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:14 pm
Stoli wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:54 pm If the hex becomes a big problem, I wonder if a lock wash would help with that?
If you can get a lock washer AND the hex nut, then sure, but I had enough trouble getting just the hex nut started on the threads when going through the strap. It's another improvement with the new system. On the old model, I HAD to cut some of the leather of the strap away. On the new model, some straps don't require me to do that, though I feel like it's best I do to get the most surface area to clamp onto.

The old model works just fine. I just prefer the new model, as you mentioned most people on the internet seem to as well.

Another tip: keep an eye on your straps' health with strap locks. I've seen people's straps break, still having the guitar come to the ground. A few weeks ago, I had my own issue. I'm one of those idiots that will throw the guitar around my neck some times. We've changed the setlist around so instead of the super strats I usually play during one of the songs I do it on, I was playing my new LTD EC-1000, which happens to be my heaviest guitar, PLUS having the longest strap length. I don't like throwing that guitar around my neck because physics tells you that it takes a harder throw to do it successfully. Well, the 2nd time I did it on that guitar, the strap broke and I ended up effectively chucking the guitar into one of our singer's shins. Thankfully, it didn't break her leg, but it did severely bruise it. The guitar held up for the most-part, but 1 of the tuning machines got destroyed. I got replacement tuners and it's back up and running. Not flipping that guitar anymore, though.

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The slots in the leather strap I have are pretty big and I was able to wiggle that through and I have plenty of thread room for a thin lock wash. I liked the strap because it was I guess extra wide at about 3 1/2". Good point on the health of the leather. The strap I bought appears to be in excellent shape right now and I have no intention of swinging it around my head. At my age, I would probably strangle myself

Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:56 pm**

mozz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:18 pm I usually put 1 or 2 drops of crazy glue in the hole the screw was removed from, let it dry, then screw in the old screw or a new slightly longer version.

I should have thought of that six years ago. I used Elmer's glue and two very thin tootpicks.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:52 pm**

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Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:16 pm**

mozz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:52 pm image-2591371346.jpg

I got to hand to you on creativity and resourcefulness on this one.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:23 pm**

So here is what I ended up doing. The strap and the old locks seemed to work fine on my Agile. I looked around on line a bit and found two pins that were supposed to fit "old" Schaller locks. I ordered those and put them on my Eastman. Before doing so I had to go to the hardware and get a couple of felt washers (actually they seem to be felt and neoprene) and they seem to work fine. To deal with the lock wash that I was thinking of for the hex nut, I guess I was just dreaming. The kid that takes care of the screws, nuts, washers, and other parts down at the local ACE helped me through every lock wash he had and none of them worked. I end just getting a little tube of threadlock adhesive and threw a couple of drops on each hex. I think that is going to work.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:25 pm**

bc rich wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:39 pm

Priceless

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Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:48 pm**

Red or blue thread locker? One is removable and the other is for more permanent applications. The older locks Fender sells are the same as Schaller. The Aliexpress ones are the same size also but workmanship and tolerance do not apply.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:19 pm**

mozz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:48 pm Red or blue thread locker? One is removable and the other is for more permanent applications. The older locks Fender sells are the same as Schaller. The Aliexpress ones are the same size also but workmanship and tolerance do not apply.

I used the blue as it was supposed to be "removable." The two pins that I bought were from Guitar Parts Factory and their address is Millersport, Ohio. With that said, I do not know whether they are selling OEM parts or knockoffs. I was planning to buy the pins from Sweetwater but all I could find online was the whole lock system. Black was the only color that I could find that were supposed to be the old ones. Is hard to say on quality but it does not seem like pot metal. I used the original screws that were in my Eastman instead of the ones that they sent. The fit seems to be good.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:50 pm**

Maybe too late to the party, but I just bought a set of Fender-branded strap locks that look an aaaaaaawful lot like the classic Schaller design.

Posted: **Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:47 am**

My favorite straplocks are the Dunlop flushmounts, though they require a little bit more "installation" than regular ones.
Still, never had them bind up, jam, come loose or anything. I definitely don't really like the regular Dunlop ones, Schaller definitely wins in that department, but nothing compares to wonder that is flush-mounted strap locks lol.

Had a friend who had/has them (Schallers) on all of his guitars for years now with no issues outside of once when we were younger and the strap piece didn't quite grab onto the little knob all the way and slipped off. I just don't like how much that style sticks out, but I play Vs almost exclusively.

Posted: **Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:09 pm**

Stoli wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:25 pm
bc rich wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:39 pm
Priceless .

2 pack 99c @ 99 Cent store + tax

Posted: **Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:23 am**

I have had Schaller looks in my guitars since about '92 on so. When ai played only my Les Paul and it was aölost mu only axe for a decade, I wore through the guitar side part...literally the strap part carved the button so thin there was a hole in the groove and it didn't hold any more. Nearly dropped the LP badly once before I realized.

Since then, with multiple guitars, haven't noticed any wear. Only one of them is the new type with the big donut type nut instead of the old thin hex.

I basically never take the locks off, got the straps on each guitar all the time, except when I need to put it in a case. The strap won't fit inside the case unless I take it off.

When I put them on a strap the first (and last) time, I use locking pliers to hold the lock part right and then I squeeze and hammer the strap on, and then use a wrench to tighten the nut as tight as possible. They never come off.

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